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welcome to another episode of we don'tdie where my goal is to give you evidence that although our bodies willdisappear we survive physical death i'm your host sandra champlain author of thebest-selling book called we don't die a skeptic’s discovery of life after death.today on our show i get to introduce you to leslie lupocoming to us from tucson arizona. leslie is a licensed nlp therapist with morethan 25 years of experience as an intuitive therapist she has seenthousands of clients all over the world and has conducted numerous workshops inareas as diverse as relationships and energy work for the last 20 years shehas worked in the metaphysical

department of the canyon ranch healthresort in tucson both has a psychic and for three years as the spiritualprograms coordinator in addition to counseling clients leslie teaches arelationship workshop called manifest the real deal have a best friend bestlover for life and divides her time creating mosaics and jewelry meditatingby her pond keeping bees and growing organic veggies she sounds like a fun lady doesn't sheshe's also the author of the upcoming book every breath is precious herwebsite is www light the path . com or you can find out more about her at wedon't die radio.com and click on episode

110 leslie lupo welcome to we don't dieradio. hello there honored that you contacted oh it's ourpleasure absolutely lesley there's so much more about you that i could havesaid in the bio but i wanted you to tell your story in your own words about howyou got into this magnificent work you're doing and yeah what do you knowabout life after death set a big question or what it is it all started in march of 88 iwill be working at a dude ranch and um i was the vice president of operations atthat point you bounced around a lot

between different departments to helpwhoever is needed and one of the cowboys was not feeling well so i jumped intowrangling department and help out so at the end of the day we were unsettlingwaiting for the last two rides to come in and two horses had smoked out the thegate and run down to the hay barn with your saddles on which is dangerous forthe horses they can get hurt if they roll and it's it's a problem so i randown to the hay barn live to walters to grab the horses can come up now i don'tknow if people know horses but they're not like on television where they'rejust so sweet and like a puppy fish a large herd you had like over a hundredhorses but the thing about them is

there's there's never enough food forthat matter how much you put on up we'll each of your hill but they're stillpanicky so everybody is jammed in eating at the end of the day and i have to tryto wiggle between courses to bring them in and at first i thought it was reallylucky because they were standing right next to each other but as it turned outit was hard for me to make it through we're all this audible and stirrups were so at onepoint i was clucking and poking down and they just kind of looked at me like heyyou're smaller than me and i'm hungry and ignored me at one point i turnedaround to try to push myself backwards

and at that moment my mind or myconsciousness my soul pop out of my body and stood about six feet away watchingit now i hit enter anything but i was really shocked i remember thinking whatthat i couldn't even think of words as i watched myself continue to try to wigglein between those two horses and all of a sudden one of the horses on my left kneethe soul body not be the person in the horses screech and all the six or sevenhorses around me bolted at that time i spun and my right arm went through thestirrup of the horse and because i was dragging on him when he was trying torun with the other horses he first hit knee with his head and kind ofhead-butted me sideways which caused me

to go crashing into the corner ofconcrete and metal the guard and i dropped like a sack alox wow i'mwatching all this with the awareness i didn't feel i mean i my body wasscreaming i didn't feel a thing i didn't feel any nervousness i didn'tfeel any despair i didn't feel any pain but it was almost like dispassionatelywatching that like low you know what's going on and it just took a few secondsto be over but i knew i was get and i knew it i mean there was never a doubtin my mind yet my first reaction was to start gigglingi remember thinking this is it this is what everyone so afraid of

i'm still here and i'm still thinkingand i felt such peacefulness and love and freshness it was kind of like if youcould picture taking off of body girl that's four sizes too small how freshyou would feel oh i would imagine ya like like you knowwhen you're walking around in a towel after shower you feel so crash and itwas i felt like little it's almost like every cell had separated and thebeautiful reads was going through and i felt such just peacefulness andcompleteness and that this is the way it should be this feeling and you know i'ma very curious person so the first next thing i thought was well what what do ilook like so i looked down at myself and

i was still in my blue jeans and myboots and and everything and it wasn't see-through or anything like that but ididn't notice it was almost like this little tiny least was rising off of meand the mist was just a little tiny bit of blue and this mist that was risingoff of me the other thing i noticed was howintensely accurate my vision laws when we're scaring at something and we lookat the center and then by the time we get out a few feet on either side intothe edges of our peripheral vision it's gone and that that didn't happen it wasit everything within my resolution was perfectly in focus and yet wasn'toverwhelming like too much information

same thing with so i heard every littlebird i've heard every little curry of a lizard you know the voices were talkingagain it could hear they're walking breath is that kind of grabbed the deltaand uh so i just stood there modeling at everything and then down by the bottomhablo the big up and the holding pen i saw thecowboys both rides were back so they open the gate and i felt this reallysweet nostalgia like oh i know what you're doing i got mad you know like itwas almost like going back to america around watching children right on it youremembering how throwing it was when i was little haha that kind of justhappiness and they came in and they

started off you know gotye guess himclose the gate started towards the unsettling cart and saw the boss's wifelaying facedown in manure and raced over and um i was just a few feet from themand they flipped me over and started trying to resuscitate him no matter howmuch ice cream please don't please don fine they kept trying and two of theguests had gotten down with both are both giving you cpr together and one manthat was doing the breath kept watching his watch and then after whateverminutes they said it was six or seven minutes they stopped and they stillcouldn't get breath and the cowboys later told me that my skin was hurt

pure-grade my lips with the color of myblue jeans and um one of the men's that back and said go get bob she's gone so at that point it was interestingbecause i began to let go of being in tucson but you son just started to fadeand know a lot of people have talked about feeling like they were lifted upor above i mean i wasn't feeling like always standing on the ground but justlike maybe a foot above but it's almost as if this world started emerging tosound started fading and another world hang in with true it was a whole coursevery thick oh florence and my impression was i'mjust going to another level

like i studied energy and i know themagnetic field colors spectrum and the sounds back drummond and i felt like ialways do move to a different part of thosespectrums you know outside what we normally see because i got theimpression that it was just me closing my eyes and waking up and beingin a different on a different plane but in the scene area and it was a beautifulforest and all of the crisp alertness that i have downstairs is what i callearth and upstairs is what i call heaven i'm all that christmas was a bit gone ifelt like you know you'll wake up a little groggy because you had twoglasses of wine in my people

yes just grab you know i was kind oflike trying to get my sea legs so you speak and everything was so tensileintensified as far as the beauty and the peacefulness all i could hear was thisextraordinary level of selfless low i know that we've had speakers here intucson and if you have been talked about the unconditional love and for me i justuse a different word because the time that i feel it on earth if you bettergiven someone a present and opening it up and they look at you and they look intheir eyes you know it was the perfect thing for like to give a gift like achild and look at the joy you feel when you know you hit the bullseye we getthis like rush through our bodies that

just makes us feel so alive and andloved because it is selfless gift of giving someone something you know bringgreat joy and it got kind of feeling you know that yet selfless love and theother thing i was amazed that was it was a very thick florence now i live in aforest here into something there's not many of them but for some reason i havea house here and there's a great deal of shade and shadow and i noticed thatthere was no shadows it was is if i walked up and i was looking at thefirm's and the trees and the shoes and it was easy they were lit fromwithin i and the other thing i can say isreceiving when the sun is setting go out

and input a treaty between you and theson and when you see those sunlight coming blue the leads that's using ten percent of what you getyou upstairs but you get that feeling of how things are all lit from within and ihave like marveling like just touching things i'm i walked over to there's a littleriver behind you so i walked over and there were rocks and there's a lovelysplashing some and i saw some ferns dripping in these spiky flowers andbutterflies and birds living around and singing and then i turned back that wasto my right i turned back and i saw over

on my left little opening in the forestand there was a table that kind of looked like lapis lazuli that rickylaughing and chairs around it and i was watching the table and it was again asif things were still coming through there was people standing around there agroup of people so i walked over and everybody greeted me and at that pointit was really the first time where i got a really strong sense of somethingfamiliar life wigan i know these people i know thisplace and i sat down there was 11 other people and there were five women in sixmen and they were you sad around this big oval table in the middle of thetable where some wavy lines that kind of

look like when you're driving and yousee those heat waves because he would just wait i really couldn't see peopleon the other side of the table i could see just really the people around me andbecause they were so proud i was so groggy it took me a while to reallyprocess oh well i don't know what a while is theadvertisement as sharp as i was downstairs where everything with thingbeing i noticed a woman on like and i recognized her because when i was reallyreally little i used to see when i called angels in my bedroom in thegarden and and all around me every once in a while not all the time but everyonce in awhile it would almost be like

something kind of kept me still and theni would see this woman who is next to me in her name was lena it popped in mymind that wasn't sure if i was remembering it or if it was telepathicand then i looked to my old one more thing before that ice when i was walkedbefore i saw them me again what do i look like and i have this long dress onand it was a deep depression blue and is very elaborately and boy the little goaland i lift my hands look like baby you know like i was going to be 20 years oldit was just here young and i had big really large kind of like almost likenickel and order size freckles just to feel but you were really light and thenlike touching my okay i have short curly

hair shown here i like one year i wasthinking and so when i walked over the table everyone was so harmoniouslybeautifully dressed it was it looked like felted wool or they looked like clcoggins beautiful embroideries and everyone again look very very young itlooked like college kids exceptional their eyes there was so much soul anduse them in the eyes and i looked over on my life there was a gentleman cityand he had long hair and a beard but it was interesting because everyone was soharmoniously dressed by him and his name was well and he had this brilliant rightultraviolet shirt on and then he had these pants on that where this i loveyou know kind of garish orange brown and

i was thinking to myself on that wait aminute you've got all the colors of you members to work like who dressed you youmight think well man they must be known that even upstairs i can't dress himselfnot hitting your father well the funny part is does uh well raulis actually the in are you dating which i knew nothing about this intellectuallycouple months ago rao is a planet in sanskrit and ninais pisces in sanskrit and on that date i had the accident rau was going throughmina which happens every 20 years and the other thing rouse color isultraviolet and his stone is hessonite garnet which is orange brown garden sothat weird finally made sense to me

after 26 years i figured okay that makessense but i sat down and mina and roll with the only ones that talk to me andhe explained that um i had gone down on the mission with my soul group and thiswas the remnant that had the state behind there was ten that were stayedbehind you actually and 20 when town and i had contracted you come up when i was21 with another person on the solo we were just going to come down shiftconsciousness and bring in a level of forgiveness and begin to open the doorto be a gu killed shift of consciousness and uh she explained to me that betweenthe years of 45 and 65 you know a few years on either side the majority ofvery very very old so had come down

after the two world wars to help shiftawareness and and bring up consciousness and i another soul group person weresupposed to pop back up if it 21 but she said at the time right before i wassupposed to go i turned and jumped my contract she said that's not a problem you are avolunteer and they don't mind any amount of help on birth but now you have achoice you didn't contract to have two children you havetwo children you can stay up here but you know you do not have to go back toearth however think of how it will impact thechildren they will have you know no

problems either way but you have adecision to make you can go down to earth or you can stay up here you'llhave to think about this and so rally and i walked around a little and i wentto meditate in this cage behind a waterfall he brought me to a place he said this isa place that you like to go for stillness and when i went in there was avery cold light being there and as soon as i walked in i recognize it to bejesus now the interesting thing is this came accident came at a time in my lifewhen i was basically agnostic bordering on a curious i had no interest inspirituality i was a good person that

was a hard worker i was other i goodfriend but i just have no part i was very science-minded you know i was notquite a materialist or atheist but i was definitely not at all interested in anyspirituality um i had left that behind due to atragedy in during college and i just gave up on all that spiritual stuff andjust when endure and so me seeing someone like jesus really good surpriseme because i wasn't you know a fan i wasn't hateful but i just had no i meani believe using it i believe at that time use existing etc but it was reallyinteresting because he had such a strong jaw and such a loving aura and we talkedabout forgiveness and they actually have

we lay down on this cable that was likewhite it was beautiful white marble in fact the whole inside of the cave waspolished look like an hand-carved and and polished and little like of symbolsand judges were not put around there but itwas it was actually quite huge was probably like you know 40 feet by 40feet and uh he took a little bowl with white marble and he had i could smellrose and sandalwood and he put them on all my chakras and he said you've done alot of work lunches to relax i'm going to clear some stuff off of you and so heput them out all my chakras and then he also put it on my ankles and wrists andwe talked a little about forgiveness and

self forgiveness and how difficult it isto accomplish what you feel a goal is when you're working part of the teen youhave to be patient you know and understand that the goal is emerging andbe patient and then i was peeking at him so he put anotherbig block on my forehead like their guy and we were laughing and you just tellme to rest and i nap because i do remember closing my eyes and then when iopen them he was gone so i climbed down and raul had pointed me out to thevillage and go over there when you're done so i walked over and then walkingwith this big huge room a building you could put of an indoor football johninside the middle of it was that large

and the gate the doors were wide openand i walked in and there were all the walls were covered with these trickylittle of like a dentist who old dentist's office those floors yeah andso i walked over and i pulled open a couple of the jurors mans looking atdifferent schools in different books and again was that memory like oh i couldread this i could do look familiar but i couldn't quite grasp what it was andthen click them back and i walked along again and then i saw their widdy'stransepts on either side that were mimicking the room had again huge alwayslibrary and i got about halfway through and there was this little pedestal thatlooks like it was made out of bakelite

which is kind of like a white glossymaterial like the old telephones were made out a big like this was white andanother being the big really bright being came up and she was probably ifi'm by 26 she was maybe 90 feet all my ok and she had this beautiful rolled onit was integral and top that kind of went into cool white like brilliantwhite good at the hem and she introduced yourself but i didn't catch her namebecause it was like a melody and at this was very telepathic and i was i waslistening to her and she said i only come when i'm called we will have aquestion and i i said i'm sorry i don't understand yourname and she laughed which sounds like

this beautiful laughs you know and canbe sounded like whoa glass chimes and then she then said on a on earth acommissar squatchy and so she said what information and what had happened wasright before my accident i felt like i had really like just something hadturned off my hope and uh what what happened was i had come across anarticle that was written in honor of some anniversary or maybe the lady wastrying to go for an appeal or you know get out of prison but the woman hadthese through three little gorgeous bb girls and they saw this picture of thesethree little children my children with three years old 21 years old we have allthat money juice you know when you're

looking at the usual little babies andthen i read this story of this woman who took her children one by one and chopthem because their girlfriends were going out and she couldn't choose a hikelike 18 or 19 shifty children already little child every year for three yearsand all with different fathers and she tried to make it like someone you comein and it knocked me for a loop that a mother could have a visceral connectionto these babies and think of so little of them and i just felt like you know iwould have taken those children hundred dollars and people be taking thosechildren you could have taken them and just getting the locker adoption and ijust felt very frustrated when i read

that and i could feel myself to shutdown and then she explained it to me by saying you know again you have to keepyour eye on the big picture and you don't know you know what their karma isto understand that but at the end of the conversation it was here it was veryhopeful you know she kept showing me ways that to take a breath and keep youreye on the bigger picture and she also as hanging out uh both string me with just letting we get a feeling of you know you've gotyour breath now you can understand that that is sometimes what happens in lifebecause i was still going back to how

could god let this happen and her answerwas basically god finland happened humans let it happen so you can't blamespirit for this this is showing that there's a lot of things that still needto be fixture just be patient and recognize that not one person is goingto change it all it's going to be a blue effort and it reminded me of the randomacts of kindness remember whenever started coming out yes and she was very very adamant thatlike stopping to let someone in mind if you've got 50 things and they have oneletting them jump ahead of you or when we're going down from three lanes tolovely the more polite people are about

letting people in the quicker you getthrough rather than the people that waste ahead and try to shoulder the wayin being polite whether they say thank you or not is irrelevant so she kind ofreminded me that and then she also you know i'm just gave me like the lightaround her you so intense and she also tell me this was one of my favoriteplaces to hang well because this is the hall of records and we call the akashicrecords but upstairs is called the hall of records where everything was new ofcutting-edge was up there and now oh no wonder i like encyclopedias somuch online and i spend so much time researching new scientific breakthroughsyou know whether it's physics or

magnetic field or biology or help i'malways reading um i like to keep abreast of what cutting edge and so then ifinally went out and they nina was waiting for me so we went over to a smaller building and she said nowwe need to decide and we had a really long talk and then interesting like itwas the first time i began to feel tired when we were walking over i could feeltired which i had never felt before in fact i've never felt any negativeemotion i didn't feel fear and tonight it's interesting how we have that sohardwired in our psyche with that reptilian or what they call the animalbrain that fight-or-flight reflex how

totally ever you know it's part of yrdynamics is a human yes and a big zero up there all you haveall the high happy and loving parts of you and all of the fear or conquering orcompetition or all the negativity and you know green all they didn't eventhere was not not really nice even a block of that in me so that was likeagain that made with such joy culture so we sat down we talked about a few thingsagain they showed me in that little lady blind like when i first got up theyshowed me the accident so i could understand why the horses panicked if itactually let out the herd boss long can i was his knee and to be the heard lotsof a hundred horses you got to be really

cranky and mean and tough and when theycome down all they have to do is learn put yourears back and he lifts one of the verses and that was the voice that screech andthey all scatter like pigeons on the square you know just bolt and i justhappened to be in the wrong place up a long time and then we talked about mydecision whether i would what do i do up here and what led youback there and the thing that she said i would do it there was really fascinatingto me because it made a lot of sense from some of the people so many of thepeople i needed therapy see what she explains new is this

without them volution of human as a body mind spiritbeing there have been very very very old soul which will in carnate to shiftenergy and to be teachers and everywhere you could be going talking to thesafeway who guide with bagging your luxuries who's never going to stop doingthat prison tire career and he could be an extremely old soul is having a nicepleasant light but he's just here to ground the energy whereas other peopleare teachers but the thing that's different is those old souls will putinto families that supported that like the dalai lama he was born the two lungsfound him from astrology predictions and

he saw that video seventies two lumpswalking up and he ran home and said to his mother i have to go you know he was like six or seven atmother supported that and then he went into a long story will all he did waslearn and train in the spiritual you know to raise spiritual consciousness soaround unicef that around the 1860s that the energy has shifted enough on earthto where they started a new program which we put the volunteer program so ifyou could picture like a bunch of old souls being around contents and ashramsand synagogues and temples and and things like that the different mosquesyou know different places of learning

people that were spiritually learningthe children will be brought in or they will be brought into families thathonored that gift of the child but what they did was they she showed me kind oflittle movie of me doing it where i had a little tiny light about as big as ahalf of grain of rice and i was looking over a map where you could see the lightbeing clusters and i was putting it right in the middle it's far away fromany light that is that could so that this older soul have become young and they were talking about they saidit's like bringing light into shape we're bringing light into the shape ilike the shadow side like you only talk

about a dark it was just a place wherethere was not like just you know people that haven't been exposed to it yet butthey were totally along and at that point on they have to go inside and findout like with them so they may have been born into aggressive hateful familiesthey may have been worn into their base of fundamentalist type families of butthey were born into families that did not recognize their their their soullevel and top-down against it so i call them whodini kids because who can use tobe blindfolded tied up putting into a bag and run into the ocean area he hadto get himself so these beings these light things have to go inside and findthat light within them and say no this

is not right so for all the children that were bornand felt like they landed in the long family that they are having a superiorauthority way just like there's no one here for me to talk to about what andthinking or feeling and people can to squash that out of people you know theycan terrify you i'm i remember asking a priest one timethat used to come to our house for dinner about the angels i saw and hesaid um you know that they're devils his he just thought i was over imagine thetwo-child course and so he could get water and he blessed you any sprinkledaround he said now if you're possessed

by the devil your skin will sizzle and was kara byoperators but this had happened i think he just thought it wasn't over imaginingthe child when he wanted to you know put the pair of god engineer whatever he wasand i 30 it work because and it happened like a week after i had psychically see i mean a car accident before it happenedand it happened and then i thought i caused it so i was very confused but ishutdown i just shut off anything that have to do with hear it now is aboutseven or eight when that happen so people will have worn into some of themwere very loving families but they just

didn't couldn't teach the phd level ofspiritual i get in sixth grade in their evolutionary levels so they have to findtheir own light within oh i've had so many people in lectures when i'm doingthis lecture come up community oh my gosh i always thought i would change letyou know i i was looking and then you find you know if you need you find outyou no no i'm okay like you're okay like you but i'm okay like me that alsobrings across the idea that there's many different paths to the top of themountain and blue guy said yeah which is a good thing yeah i know i felt very much alone withmy thoughts and stuff like that so well

yeah but now you've got your try grounddon't you tell ya hey option to help but yes are you goingto tell me i have the sneaky suspicion that when you return back to your bodyit was only minutes that you were out i don't want to finish up your own yourtime goes by very quickly okay yeah maybe that they said i wasborn we don't know exactly i left a 10-degree i looked at the clock whenthey came in it was 7 after 3i don't know exactly when i guide could havedone the piercing probably the guest room it was 10 to 12 minutes minimumprobably 12 to 15 next month that's a long time leslie well you knowweird part is is that if i show my

cat-scans to a neurologist like heavenand other neurologist i look at me and they go you should be dead you should bea vegetable and it was just i have seemed to have a little window of timein which i could come down and go backbecause meeting people and meeting people who have had injuries the peoplethat i've met since my injury on it adds on the hospital like almost three months let me know.thanks of head injury um andyou know i have you go through all that coming back and getting back in my lifeand figuring out how to organize myself because that left an agnostic andcackling okay i gotta go back the light

i can't ignore it anymore you know do you remember making the choice thatyou wanted to come back and be with your kids and yes yes it we talk about itboth ways and the funny part was once i said you know i look at my children theyshowed my children they showed me the things that would you down here i'd goback into my psychology background which is what i did but you know when ifinally said yes then they started to stop me and then going to wait a minuteit's going to be really really difficult you already have a few years in whichyou are going to have to be very isolated you know you're going to haveto integrate this and i'm thinking few

years what's a few you're doing you'reup an interview with a couple years you know ok and dine a decision and then finallyi came and went into a little in which i receded and then i felt like i was beingcompressed like i was being squished into a sausage casing and growl was withme and a guest and he stopped the process and you said remember you don'thave to go back you can stay here and i looked at himand then i thought my children again and i thought know that and then what icould do to help down here with bringing hope which is the next mission and isaid no i can do that i'll go back and

that's what he said to me remember everybreath is precious and then i just went clunk and hit around wow what i find interesting toleslie is at your sole stepped out of your body before the accident happened this would have made it sound like whichis that right yes but you know what didn't you thing is i used to work in anursing home when i first got out of college i had a psych agree in majoringin gerontology and there were no half because there and people you're so manypeople when we call them and say your mother or father dying they would saycall me when the solar and my love was

no-one guys along on my watch i would goand see with them and i thought that time and time and time again where thesoul would leave even though the people were talking it was almost like i couldsense it standing there joyful and and very happy as the body was dying uh and sometimes it would be two tothree minutes one lady was about eight or nine minutes of before i could sensethat and even my father died in my arms and my brother's arms here bawling andwe're holding him and i saw his soul jump out and said he's dying don't pickthem up and tommy look at me and said he started talking you should know overthere and then like another minute later

my dad passed so i think god you so i'mnot going to see every time but i'm wondering how often that happens wherethe person pops out before the accident yeah i like the sound of that only afterwitnessing how my dad died of cancer and someone had said to me it's because iwitness incredible suffering and somebody just said you know it'spossible he is so left the body even though he seems to be you know moving inpain and and all that stuff and i thought i'd never heard that and ithought boy i'm gonna hang onto that that hopefully that was the case that iwith bringing i was renu-it my body should be i because i was locked

yeah time in my body and leslie wasscreaming bloody murder and getting trampled and smash and in in fightingyou know so it wasn't like i it was like i was don't got out there i watched beglobally long over and i but like i said it was dispassionate i couldn't witnesssomething like that in this incarnate and and you have such objectivity rightwhat like oh well it doesn't count there was no it was like understanding it'slike you get this immortal soul understanding of this bigger picture andit's just part of letting go you know of the other thing that i just remember tocheck out his odd was i was asked when we were talking about the second time wesent home

mina and raul had asked me do you wantto remember this or do you want to not remember this oh he said that with the trajectory thati was going to life i was going to go into they advised me to do it but theyalso gave me the choice of remembering or not and i we talk about it then showsto do it so i will during how many people that maybe don't remember we'regiven that choice again interesting yeah there's lots of people even mysister met someone who died on the operating table but didn't have anyexperience of seeing the light or seeing relatives or whatever and maybe maybeit's possible that we do get a choice to

remember or not remember huh very interesting now how about you beingpsychic did you find that after you healed that that i mean if you went intothis being borderline atheists even though you have these things happen as akid that you know you had it in there is something must have been magnified atthat you decided to go into this as a career make it part of your career well the thing is the first time i shutoff my intuition or my psychic party he can shut off was when i have that priestin that accident when i was separate the second time was when i was supposed todie when i was 21 i was i was supposed

to be with my fiance getting married inaugust and uh it was like a picture-perfect love at first sight loveand i was supposed to be with him in albuquerque and the very about 10 daysbefore he died i got very restless and i wanted to goback to chicago and earn as much money is that could for school and he keptsaying to me that he had premonitions that he was going to die and beg me tostay and he wasn't you know for a game and here i am working in psychology incollege that all campus i had a wiccan hi pieces i had to medicine people andthe west african shaman who i was doing apprenticeships with opening up and iwas supposedly united but because i

didn't feel like it i was very psychicand i was working with carol and neurology and you know herbs and andceremony and energy and and always stop and i didn't feel anything like that insean's aura and i kept teasing him and saying i was going to love his words hisnose in his words when i got back at the end of august and jackie called me twodays before he died and they need to come back and it was midnight because iwas working two jobs and that's the only time you can get and you wouldn't hangup and come up and then two days later he dies you know and it was like i justwent on such a kingston but then when i was upstairs that makes sense because heand i had come down from the same soul

broke to help facility we had contractedto leave when we when i was 21 and i and i didn't well i at the last seconddecided to john my contract and stay on earth and so all those things kind ofmade sense to me but when he died in devastating the end remember my kind of took it out on oneof my teachers when i came down because i would went on to write like a fivehours we talked and i kept saying to her how could i not see it is how could younot see this healthy you know you him you know how could nobody see this he knew it and she tried to explain itto me and i stayed for another

month working with her by at the end ofthe day i just walked away from instead it's a bunch of you know pull itseventual should rely i was faking it or i'm not thinking that i was lying tomyself you know the power of suggestion oh yes i went back into science at thatpoint and that was when i was 21 and then when i was 36 is when i got runover and i went back into spirit at that point spend a lot of time in indiatrying to integrate human and spirit you know in my brain and i just did a lot ofsoul-searching and meditation wow and then at what point up time isgoing by super fast so i we're going to have to end with a speed through therest of this but i also want to be

mindful not to have an hour-and-a-halfinterview unless it has to be we go with the slow here but how did you end upstarting to take clients and what kind of work do you do with clients because iknow you've been involved with neuro linguistic programming hypnosis thatwhole realm and can you talk a little bit about how you counsel people well the funny part was right after icame back and i finally get back to work and they started walking around theranch and being mrs. king ranch again our veterinarian left we had aveterinarian for many years in this new girl starts and guess what she'smystical you know and veterinarian and

then i'm walking down to the rain windapartment one day and there was a young woman standing there with the frame shehad made out of swirl lids that one of the cowgirls had ordered but she hadmoved off the wyoming by the time you got it done so we started chatting and ilooked at her and she and i said you like arriving youhave questions yeah no she's a rancher so we started by riding she did tyrellshe did all this she's very mystical and she and istarted a very deep friendship which is killed today and i went i just went backinto my spiritual card and i went back into the nlp and started getting backinto my psychology part and i love the

archetypal imagery that of the tyrollike young talked about and joseph campbell and that's how i use it it'smore like taking guides on an inner journey because one of the things that ifound out very easily was we have many levels to our conscious subconscious andsome little oh and just like dogs on a dogsled they all have to be pulling inthe same direction and people that are stock it's like a couple of dogs uponthis way and a couple dozen playing that way and i'm usually really good attuning into their field picking things up and then giving them whateverhomework is needed to here's the tool you can't do thebibbidi-bobbidi-boo i mean i know this

is danna i love the magic wand no i nest and you know what there's alot of very very amazing people and india that beauties of energy transfersblow your line but you still have to do the the work you know you still have todo the things in fact i'm putting my workshop into a workbook and a prettynice and it's a lot of journaling to journaling if you want to do somethingin half time journalist because your brain is connected to your skin and whenyou write something down you learn it twice as fast as when you just thinkabout it or just talk about it i didn't oh yeah when i'm working as apsychologist i give everybody look

warning and i tell them to take notes imean you know we listen to it again is in one ear out the other is actuallytrue about your brain and take knuckles and you listen to it again and thenmaybe two weeks later you listen to it again and you go through and of courselike you learn so much quicker you down i'll get two words of commenting rather than just apossibility it becomes more of a probability yeah your brains connectedhere's again you didn't study when we'll never mind i could go on you could ideaivory we could we could go for a while can and you've got me now left on thedogs in the dog sled and are there

common things because i always like toleave listeners with some powerful tools are there some common things that wehave out of alignment that you give us homework i mean there's some well i cantell you one of the things that we really send your knee quickly ok i um i had met along from los shastaand he and i he taught me the very simple thing it's a very simple thingit's just being mindful in other words if i'm ironing and i have a televisionon and i'm talking to my sister on the phone brain we don't multitask i knowpeople think you can do eight things at once you don't what your brain is doingis it's going to jump don't jump jump

jump jump jump that puts an inordinate amount of stressyou know so now when i and this is the one of thefirst things i did when i came back from india is i just started doing one thingat a time i mean i still want a cavs other timesdon't get me wrong i mean like a like the best of them but there are timesyou're in the day for at least an hour a day where you one thing only and that'sall i do and so if i'm ironing i can have gentlesoft without words you use it because with words music affects you bringdifferent than just of instrumentals

ok i'll have instrumentals on and i'mironing or as i am doing the dishes or i have no music you know you can do italso with nothing on just do it right it's focusing on one thing at a time andnot dangerous and i'm not firing about my next lecture my nextworkshop three people i focus on what i'm doing and i just keep my line ican't sit and meditate i'm just not one of the most people likeand it and joan out you know i learned thatin india but there's movement medications and that's just when theysay mindfulness other saying is focus on one thing a lot of people don'tunderstand what that means and and that

really got me very very centered andgrounded very quickly of keeping that peacefulness within me at all timesbecause when i was remembering upstairs which are you quite a bunch i'm right back in that zone of that selfclub then if you have to get up and keep my children go check out a ride or dowhatever i have to do and every human again and it was almost like myspiritual part was like a satellite around you so i work to integrate themto where i am i'm human and spiritual because it's almost like you'reelevating the man you're elevating the human side that's great i'm your bookscoming out soon

it's not out yet and for listeners keepan eye on we don't die radio episode 110 soon as it's out i will have a link toit but what what kind of things are in your book well um i go over in a lot of detailabout the whole journey i go on into a lot more detail on how i integrated andi give a couple i give two very strong exercises in the book i write about wheni first channel these exercises in that really helped me not take thingspersonally number one and number two not get caught up in the roles we play ashumans because i was identifying too much with the lolz i was playing and iwas human and those are going to be in

the book so that everybody that we didcan take that home with them and practice it and begin to be in touchwith everybody has an immortal soul everyone knows it's just we're not alayer of that and ways of stealing the line here it's your it comes up and it'ssomething i mean i have to go get run over by her divorces to finally getcentered and you don't have to do that you know you can just do it yourself theeasy day when people are more discovered another thinking wow i read somewhere onyour website on one of your courses rewrite your life contracts yeah can we actually choose how it'sgoing to go from this point forward

absolutely i am absolutely not fatalistic i mean i'm the psychic i'mvery spiritual i'm probably the least superstitious person you've ever metexcept for chicago cub uh i'm i i really believe i know we have free will and thething that i know the paradigm i'll believe in is reincarnation and that wasvery evidence upstairs you know i shouldn't say that i think of it now ididn't think about before i didn't care about it boy that was just here we'reguide that's it now when i was shawn was more incarnational model which meansthat the soul sometimes will choose to take one lesson and break it into threeor four lifetimes because for them

that's like breaking high school in 24years versus trying to do it all in the year and a half yeah that's why when we see souls wedon't understand what they have chosen as their life contract and if they failif they you chose to go from first to second grade and they blow it they go back down to pre-k and then theylearn the interesting opinions learning upstairs is is joyous and excited peopleof their the late things up there are so excited to learn almost like we havevacation time down here we love our leisure time they love their learningtime so it appeared to me as if we do a

lot of a going over what we did how canwe educate ourselves what can i learn what kind of practice then we come downhere to take our tests and then we go back upstairs again to process the otherthing is your most hopeful thing i noticed was that everything is growing i mean to me the divine source which iran into upstairs which is indescribable the of and that intense adoration that i feltcoming from the divine is growing as we evolve it evolves it's like god is notstatic now i was raised roman catholic and they have this very you knowspecific way of looking at god being

perfect but in my dictionary perfectmeans that's the end of the road you have to do anything anyone can get thatsense i got that sense of roller divine that it's evolving and growing into weare everything is growing and it's not- is growing in a good way yeah gotcha i'm lesley could you just have a coupleminutes talking about your workshop on relationships i'm a single gal myself iknow i'm not the only single person listening and i love how you advertiseit on your website are you tired of dead-end relationshipswhether they are a partner family member

or at work the pain and frustration of dead-endrelationships take its toll it takes a toll and i i know myself like many otherpeople can attract the same kind of individual and what is it that you offeri mean i'm i'm assuming these are live workshops or is that something online well i'm going to turn it into an equalyay good good good now i want to put it onequal because someone thought of it and hope you and i thought well yeah i gotto let more people know but i'm not technically i'll find i have some moneyyeah someone's already come forward is

going to put it into work anyway but allindications but what one idol yeah we're all to other people play and what can wedo to touch i mean that this is a whole another interview so i want to get toodeep into it but what then any words on relationships before we close mostimportant thing to realize this when you meet someone whether it's a familymember or in law or a well man . or press and your business you must accept peopleas they are and stop trying to fix them the biggest thing that i work with isthe healers on the planet that always wind up being the teacher in theclassroom because they're not including

themselves in their decisions andthere's a selfless love that makes us feel that true love conquers all becausethat's how little it doesn't and one of the biggest things and the reason thiswhole thing started with my workshops was i had a woman i was working as atherapist and i had client and she was going through a divorce or second oneand she looked at me and she was half angry happy and said we're going to behappily married as if its carbon stone and i'll you know i'm gonna pull a cardand tell her on this gate you know and i look at her and i said when you'realready happy inside and first she have inspired / through her eyes like ithought you liked you know get up and

leave but she always felt she pop like aballoon she doesn't because she was not a happy person and she was looking tofind her happiness outside versatile my workshop is designed to first of all andgo through our subliminal programming which means where 90% unaware of thatrewrite your view of relationships and the roles that you play which isactually basically in a nutshell falling in love with yourself confidence is hollow so love is humblenobody that has true love is ever arrogant or bossy or conceited self-loveis humble and so i teach people to first of all include yourself in yourdecisions and also understand one

critical thing the world is a one-roomschool every person that you know is in a different grade and i am i workshop italked about going from pre-k to phd you can have someone who is intellectually aphd but emotionally or even a business she but emotionally they're still inthird grade or kindergarten and the is we have to be not making snap judgmentsto think we know them we have to observe how they walk their talk and wade intorelationships rather than jump in and the second thing is remembering andthinking a good place is starting to think of your entire birth family everycousin everyone you know and just kind of think about who is my peer who hasthe same level of personal and

professional integrity that i have whohas the same level of oh no maturity responsibility attitude there's a lot ofyours out there with clothes over their head you look at the glass half full andthen you begin to look at ok then you those are the phds and then you say okayhere's a few better still dysfunctional melodramatic that's maybe more highschool and here's some that are just totally selfish little narcissistic youknow gobblers you know those are young souls i can't go into first grade and beangry because i can't talk physics with a first-grader i have to accept them asthey are and actually the fun friday we stay in the workshop is listen when youopen the box it says this time required

for the back on the shelf we do not want at all you do not want tohave to fix them i'm a psychologist it's against the lawfor me to be my patients and that's something i how many people that don'tever get a patient again and don't tell them we'll be great if they fix this no you take unless you are or you walkaway wow leslie thank you you're welcome i wantto go on and on and on and watch your book to be done i want you to take yourworkshop right now from master susan i think this is going to be the beginningof a good friendship i think you

yeah you're up to a lot of good and ididn't even left was wanting to know more but it is the end of the hour so we are going to conclude give any closingwords just have myself and listeners it's just one positive side to get thedogs on track or something it's really recognizing one of thethings that always helps me is when i look at the bigger picture and watchingthe news and seeing the horrific things that happen i always go back to the gale was bornand i look at the shift of consciousness get it happen since my birth and as manyand there's another you're certainly

different web pages online to haveoptimistic views and their business people they're not like that they showall the positive games look at the whole picture don't despair over the smallpercentage of negativity that's why one of the things ideas i always do a worldconsciousness you know what's going on all over is the good guys don't get theheadlines know i always thought there should be gnn the good news network withall the people doing good deeds in the world yeah well thank you for that and thankyou for being our guest into our listener that's taken the time to bewith us is past hour you have been

listening to we don't die radio ourguest was the fabulous lesley lupo her website is light the path . com and ofcourse you can always go to we don't die radio.com episode 110 and please feelfree to join the insider's club too because there's some secret specialgifts including reading my book for free and some other good things so we'lldefinitely keep in touch with leslie lu poke and i'll keep you posted when herbook is available because it's something i want to find out more so in closing myname is sandra champlain i've been your host and we don't die radio and like ioften say that i do believe that life and education for the soul and that yourlife here on earth is important i love

how leslie said be patient with otherskeep your eye on the bigger picture i love upstairs and even downstairs wherewe are right now and again thank you thank you thank you for listening and we'll see you soon.